OT (Sort of) Why china made car parts suck. - Corvair Center Forum
OT (Sort of) Why china made car parts suck. - Corvair Center Forum
OT (Sort of) Why china made car parts suck.
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So as most of you know our ranch has been threatened by the lake fire, this fire will not go away, so in the middle of all this the clutch slave cylinder decided to go out on my RAV 4. As I left the dirt road from the ranch and hit the asphalt to get supplies suddenly the clutch would not work and the Car was stuck in 4th gear, I quickly found out this thing will absolutely not shift without the clutch, so I decided to risk it and drive the 35 miles from the ranch to my house in town, if I stopped I would never get going again, luckily there are only turns on the back road home, so I did the road race style 4th gear turn to keep my momentum up, I made it, once in the driveway I shut the engine off and quickly found the trans would go into all gears, GOOD! Upon inspection I found the original clutch slave cylinder was worn out, I replaced the master cylinder 2 years ago, this RAV has 197,000 on the stock clutch components.So I go to Auto-zone the next day and get the replacement china part, $31, the Toyota part is almost $200, its on top of the engine and a easy install, 4 bolts and the hydrolic line, bolt the new part in and bleed it, it seems to be working, but once running wont go in gear and creeps as you try, seems the throw is not far enough to work the clutch? After removal and inspection of both units, I find the china part has a different cylinder configuration that centers the puck farther down the hole, to make up for this the Chinese made the push rod longer, but not long enough, So I put a steel tire valve stem cap on both ends of the rod and installed it and BOOM, the clutch works and it will go into gear, but that temp fix will break, so I cut a Corvair push rod in 1/2 as the diameter is the same and the round end was the same, but quickly found out the interior of the push rod was bigger than the ends, wont work, so today I got some round bar stock and made another push rod, the bottom one is stock Toyota, the center one is the Chinese replacement, the top one I made and that is the one that works, the notch in them is for the rubber boot, but it works fine without the notch, So now after 2 days working in 115 degree heat, my clutch works again, all they had to do was copy the Toyota part exactly, but nope! They fixed it so it would not work! PS, I have had problems with china made Corvair parts as well.
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Re: OT (Sort of) Why china made car parts suck.
There are many problems with Chinese parts for anything.The most common cause is that most Chinese companies have at least 3 sources of parts / materials. Factory A provides the highest quality but charges them a higher price for their quality. Factory B is of lower quality but might be ok for some parts and charges less. Factory C provides the lowest quality and price.
First order and delivery is from factory A and customers are happy but profits are low. Next order is from factory B and there may be a few complaints. Third order is from factory C and customers complain so next order is from factory A.
Etc. etc. etc.
Re: OT (Sort of) Why china made car parts suck.
Conerning the different levels... I like it...Recently needed a power window regulator ebay "best match" $167 + $20 ship GAG!
"Doesn't fit" but looks the same.. $20 +$10 ship
Only difference was the bolts with rubber insulator nuts. Youtube showed how to hold them to break loose.
perfect fit and operation! Go figure! I believe it's the digital catalog again. MODERATOR
Sea Mountain, between Charleston Harbor and Coos Bay! SW Oregon Coast
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67 110-PG & 66 Webered-Turbo
Re: OT (Sort of) Why china made car parts suck.
This post is sort of amusing to me.It comes down to the value of time versus money (for me).
People are much more talented than I am. But, I also assign a value to my time.
Even if I was willing to maintain a new vehicle, it seems I am much better served by buying the $200. Toyota part.
Too bad to see the poor quality(?) control on current auto replacement parts, but it is wake up call for me.
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I'm so tired of massaging Chinese parts that almost fit.It's a crying shame with all the technological advances that a 50 year old part is better than a new one.
What a world, what a world, I'm melting... Jim Brandberg
Corvair Repair LLC
Isanti, MN
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Well guys, present company notwithstanding, we brought this on ourselves.I read an article in Reader's Digest over 20 years ago which told a story of a man who was visiting England. He noticed the "old" tools in the back of a gardener's truck and asked him where he bought them. The man replied they were my father's before they were mine. Eventually he tracked down the manufacturer. The man in the story was an importer for a US concern. He contacted the manufacturer and asked if they would sell to him. They said, "no, we tried it once before. You Americans will go into a hardware store and see our shovels that will last a lifetime for $60 and then buy a $20 dollar one that may last a couple of years."
So true. Cliff Tibbitts
Nicholasville, KY
CORSA, CKCE, Derby City Corvairs
66 Monza, 140/4sp
61 Rampside
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Jim when you consider the millions of different parts out there, it is amazing, to me, that we can still get parts at all. Messaging the partsto work properly is a small price to pay in lieu of fabricating. MODERATORSea Mountain, between Charleston Harbor and Coos Bay! SW Oregon Coast
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Even GM Authorized Parts are poor quality anymore DaveNaples, Florida
Monza Coupe 140 4 Speed, Quick Steer, HD Suspension, Tele Wheel - My Dad bought new in Jan - 265,000 miles
Corvette - 350 Auto.
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Re: OT (Sort of) Why china made car parts suck.
RobertC Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------
> Even if I was willing to maintain a new vehicle, it seems I am much better served by buying the $200. Toyota part.
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The Problem is Toyota does not keep it in stock as this is a , it would be over a week before they could get the part, maybe longer with today's shipping delays, I needed to get driving ASAP as I am needed every day at our ranch, I had no choice really. Working together we can do anything!
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Rust Free Lancaster Ca
Re: OT (Sort of) Why china made car parts suck.
Might I suggest that you go ahead and either order a Toyota rebuild kit for the original part, or another OE part.Once this is done....PRAY that the aftermarket part will last long enough that you have your new or rebuilt Toyota part ready to replace it when it fails. JMO
Re: OT (Sort of) Why china made car parts suck.
Why Chinese-made car parts suck:Because we Americans buy by price, only.
Then, when a $31 Chinese-made replacement for a $200 Japanese-made part proves shoddy, we complain.
We get what we pay for.
. WhenIm64
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davemotohead Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------
> RobertC Wrote:
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> > Even if I was willing to maintain a new vehicle, it seems I am much better served by buying the $200. Toyota part.
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> The Problem is Toyota does not keep it in stock as this is a , it would be over a week before they could get the part, maybe longer with today's shipping delays, I needed to get driving ASAP as I am needed every day at our ranch, I had no choice really.
Got me. I forgot about the "cost" of modern inventory management.
It also applies to vehicles much newer than your RAV4.
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One big problem is there is often no way to know that the $60 part is better than the $20 part. A friend of mine's shop does fleet maintenance on mostly 1 ton Chevy duallys. He was buying made in USA Moog problem solver ball joints but they were lasting 50k or less. He is buying GM now but who knows if those will last like the originals. Windshield wiper blades don't. JoelNorthlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 160 Corvairs and counting...
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I don't agree with the "we brought it on ourselves" theory. Maybe the other 99 miserable cheap so and sos but not me. I like the good stuff but like someone else said you can't tell what the good stuff is anymore.Case in point Airtex E electric fuel pumps. Some big conglomerate bought Airtex out, they own the name so they can put whatever kind of Chinese crap they want in the box under the same good old part number.
I warned everyone it was not good when we were sending all our tooling and manufacturing over to China but no one listens to me. That just goes to show you.
I've had the same real steel shovels for many years, maybe a new handle.
It's the same axe with a new handle but not with a new head. Jim Brandberg
Corvair Repair LLC
Isanti, MN
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Unless You have been to China, You have no idea! I have been to more than 60 Cities and can tell You they can and have the equipment to build top quality parts ! It comes down to whoever is giving them the specs and how much deviations from those specs as far as materials used and the machines used to make said part. Some People seem to have bright ideas, but they dont have to install that part! It really is US that created it! Look at harbor freight! Not targeted to professionals, but many go there!Re: OT (Sort of) Why china made car parts suck.
Actually, Winnie The Pooh (Xi's nickname in China) has told Chinese Car Makers to start using recycled parts. (engines, trannys, and chassis)The reason given by the CCP was that they (China) did not have the ability to build new parts that were as good the used ones.
YES, you read that correctly.
The used imported parts, are better quality than those that can be made by the Chinese factories.. X( X( X( One mile south of the Canadian border.
It's not the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
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